Friday, August 29, 2008

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Cosmos order proves God exists: Rudd

Now there's a headline and no mistake! Oh, and here's the article. I'm glad Kev's cleared it up for us:

"You can't simply have, in my own judgment, creation simply being a random event because it is so inherently ordered, and the fact that the natural environment is being ordered where it can properly coexist over time."

That it does it via a series of seemingly random yet very specific events doesn't matter because:

"If you were simply reducing that to mathematically probabilities I've got to say it probably wouldn't have happened.

"So I think there is an intelligent mind at work."(sic)

Actually Kev, for a long time now there have been and indeed there still are, many intelligent minds at work on the problem. Over time and slowly but surely, they're working out how it all really happened and how it all really works. The key here is to have an open mind but who knows, if you can just find a little more funding, then one day someone might just find the answer...

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Dikkii said...

I was going to blog about this, but you've picked it up before me.

What a goose - of course, the question has to be asked: Is he playing for the creationist vote?

Plonka said...

Is he playing for votes or is he serious? He is in need of the Family First vote at the moment, so let's hope that's what he is doing.

What I'm worried about is that he's waxing lyrical on education at the moment too. Who knows where it may lead...

Dikkii said...

What I'm worried about is that he's waxing lyrical on education at the moment too. Who knows where it may lead...

Which begs the question, really: How strong is the creationist vote in Australia, actually?

Plonka said...

Probably not that strong here, but that won't stop nutbag politicians deciding we need to teach intelligent design and pushing for it.

tom sheepandgoats said...

Actually Kev, for a long time now there have been and indeed there still are, many intelligent minds at work on the problem.

One wonders why.

Singer/songwriter Randy Newman is featured in the lastest issue of Rolling Stone. [I'm writing a post on this, probably my next one] His just released album is Harps and Angels. Um, isn’t that religious? Rolling Stone wants to know. Had he been sick when he wrote it? they ask. No, he just likes that kind of imagery. Besides, “sometimes you do think, ‘Jeez, it’d be great if there were an afterlife.’ Especially if you’re sixty something, like I am…..I mean, it doesn’t make you want to run out and hold up a banner for atheism.”

I (not surprisingly) agree with that last sentence. I'm almost 60.

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Hey Tom, good to see you and thanks for the "welcome back"...:)

One wonders why.

Probably because we humans have an innate curiosity about the world in which we live. We like to know how stuff works.

From Randy Newman: I've just always been interested in heaven. I love depictions of it — not the particularly serious ones, but those old movies with angels and things like that.

And the lyric "You boys know I'm not a religious man..." sort of puts it in perpective.

And I have to agree. Like Jonothan Miller says: ...the imagery, the architecture. You don't have to believe to be inspired and my life has been a much richer experience because of it.

But once again, I agree with him. It would be nice if there was an afterlife and yes, occasionally I think about it too. I wouldn't want it to be like that which is described in the bible though. Spending eternity with a petulant meglamaniac really doesn't do much for me so then I get to thinking that perhaps it is better that there isn't one...

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"Spending eternity with a petulant meglamaniac really doesn't do much for me so then I get to thinking that perhaps it is better that there isn't one…”

Oh come now.

If you could choose between living a few decades during which you answered to nobody and living forever on earth by conforming to some exterior guidance, you would really choose the former?

Really?

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by conforming to some exterior guidance

Depends what the aliens have to say, I guess...;)

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. But seriously, if you're implying that I (or anyone for that matter) answer to nobody, then you may wish to speak to my wife, my parents, my teachers, my mentors, my boss, etc. I don't need to answer to god because I have respet for my fellow man because that's what they are, my fellow man (and woman) and we are what we are.

So why would I choose eternity at all? We have a life span and then we die. Is it so hard to accept?

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Tom, the question is this. How do you know that eternal life is all that it's cracked up to be? I mean really, why are those who crave it so afraid to confront eventual death? Wouldn't all that's being promised as part of the eternal life package still be worded exactly the same if, and here's the big one, if God lied?

tom sheepandgoats said...

if you're implying that I (or anyone for that matter) answer to nobody, then you may wish to speak to my wife, my parents, my teachers, my mentors, my boss, etc.

Exactly. So what's one more to answer to? Besides, the payoffs are higher. Disregard the wife, and you only spend the night in the garage. Not ideal, I grant you, but there are worse things.

We have a life span and then we die. Is it so hard to accept?

Yes. I have a lot of posts to write....

I mean really, why are those who crave it so afraid to confront eventual death?

and I can't write them when I'm dead.

Plonka said...

So what's one more? But I really don't need one more, especially one that I can't see, hear or interact with. All I'd have to go by is a very old book which doesn't really explain very much at all. Although, your version was re-written in 1950 I believe. By Charles Taze Russel unless I'm very much mistaken...

And what are these payoffs of which you speak?

If I disregard my wife, I've disregarded another human being and that is much, much worse than you imply. No, I'd rather disregard god and show my wife and everyone else the respect that's due to them simply because they're human.

Writing posts is a cop out Tom. But I guess you'd better get writing if you want to get them all done before you're called...

Dikkii said...

Exactly. So what's one more to answer to? Besides, the payoffs are higher.

Potentially higher. Again, what if He's a supreme evil overfiend who lied?

What if He doesn't respect those who suck up to Him?

What if, by not submitting to a "higher power", we're saving ourselves from an eternity in some celestial salt mine?

What if praying and sucking up puts out some invisible power that He feeds off while preparing His armies for invasion?

What if Satan was, like, this Trotsky figure who was exiled by God as a Stalin figure?

And of course, there's the biggie: What if God (Jehovah/YHWH/Allah) is the wrong one? Might one not have committed an ecclesiatical faux pas if it turns out that Zeus and his cronies were the right ones?

And why wouldn't I acknowledge Ms Dikkii as the higher power? Punishments and rewards are at least more readily apparent.

Peter said...

Nice pickup Plonka. I didn't see it go past.

1st off if Kevin 07 thinks thats proof then he is easily pleased.

2nd item when did following religion ever mean only answering to "one more"? The poor old micks have a whole hierarchy to answer to and how do you pick a winner out of that bunch? Add the extra God's and there is no room for humans anymore.

I think Dikki's on the money here, Better cover a few Gods just in case. It shouldn't be too hard if you are already prepared to hand over your morale compass to one God.

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Is that you Pete? You should set up a pointer to your Vox jobbie and make your profile available to view so e can get to it...

Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. said...

Yes the man may speak mandarin but if he thinks that's suitable proof of god well, he's not as smart as I thought he was.

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